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<nute> I have to say, Z98 is extremely intolerant and a number of people don't practice the treat others the way you want to be treated mantra saying in the forum that I'm a dickhead.
<vicmarcal> hi nute
<vicmarcal> :)
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<nute> How am I supposed to read any private message saying I have been banned from my new account if I can't login and the message isn't sent to my registered email address?
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<nute> One should never be beyond being civil, that is no way to treat a friend and it is certainly not productive to treat an enemy that way either as it can only serve to embolden the enemy (unless the enemy doesn't
<nute> rise of course)
<Reacter> If he feels he has a reason, take it up?
<@Pigglesworth> nute: are copy pasting this or what
<@Pigglesworth> *are you
<nute> I don't have much time.  All I want to say is that yes I went around the forum block, but I did so to try and make a case and to a certain degree accomplish what I couldn't accomplish on here.
<nute> My request is that things get better and if people didn't notice I did say that I have been awfully negative.
<@Pigglesworth> you don't have to accomplish nothing.. believe or not, most people acctually don't care about you at all
<@Pigglesworth> *anything..
<@Pigglesworth> double negative meh..
<nute> Civility isn't something a person should give up on, ever.
<@Pigglesworth> then why is it that most of the time it's you who's not acting civil
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<nute> Well pigglesworth, if nobody cares I wouldn't have gotten a response calling me a dickhead and I certainly wouldn't have been blocked again.  You have to care to attack someone.
<@Pigglesworth> you nute.. it's really exhausting to come to forum only to discover your lengthy and repetitive posts are all over it
<@Pigglesworth> *you know
<@Pigglesworth> why the hell do I keep missing words..
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<encod3d> drugs
<nute> Why do you talk like you are enraged pigglesworth?
<CIA-6> ReactOS: ekohl * r46233 reactos/dll/win32/advapi32/service/ (scm.c sctrl.c): 
<CIA-6> ReactOS: [ADVAPI32]
<CIA-6> ReactOS: - Create a service status handle when a service starts and destroy it after it has been stopped.
<@Pigglesworth> nute: you are rude to other people too and I don't see them whining about it
<@Pigglesworth> nute: you are rude to other people too and I don't see them whining about it
<@Pigglesworth> enraged?
<nute> So when someone is rude you are rude back?  How does that discourage future rudeness?
<encod3d> i swear im not a bot
<@Pigglesworth> I didn't say that
<encod3d> bot bot bot bot
<@Pigglesworth> you can't put words in my mouth
<nute> I don't see how my one hamburger post was rude to anyone.
<@Pigglesworth> did I say that?
<@Pigglesworth> and wtf is a "hamburger" post
<nute> You say I'm rude pigglesworth, but when and where?
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<encod3d> bot bot bot bot
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<encod3d> bitbot bitbot bitbot bitbot bitbot
<encod3d> botbitbotbitbotbitbotbitbotbit
<@Pigglesworth> nute: just read your posts.. like the ridiculous msvc discussion
<encod3d> bitbotbitbotbitbotbitbotbit
<nute> Hamburger is the other nickname I used to temporarily, very temporarily, get around the posting block on nute.
<@Pigglesworth> if you don't see it there's no point in me pointing it out for you
<encod3d> bat bat bat bat
<@Pigglesworth> good for you
<nute> What is so ridiculous or rude about saying that I think MSVC is a dangerous choice of compiler for an open source project?
<@Pigglesworth> again.. that's not what I said
<nute> I have read some of my past posts, and I am so incredibly rude that I can't figure out where the insults are!
<@Pigglesworth> I said the thread is ridiculous and that you were rude
<@Pigglesworth> okay
<@Pigglesworth> as I said
<nute> Well that is your attitude perhaps, not me being rude.
<@Pigglesworth> you clearly can't see it
<@Pigglesworth> that excuses you
<nute> Becuase I wasn't rude in that discussion.
<@Pigglesworth> okay
<@Pigglesworth> if you say so I won't argue with you
<encod3d> everyone stfu!!!
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<nute> I know what stfu means and I would appreciate it if people don't use such acronyms.
<encod3d> /wrist
<encod3d> /wrist
<@Physicus> everyone gtfo
<nute> Physicus, please leave.
<@Pigglesworth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Tenant_Farmers_Union
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<@Physicus> lol nute is so cute
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<nute> What do you mean that I'm cute Physicus?
<@dreimer> oooh, hi nute
<@dreimer> :-P
*Pigglesworth* please don't
*Pigglesworth* please
<nute> Why say hello dreimer, are you interested in making me feeling unwelcome again!
<@Physicus> hahaha
<@Pigglesworth> it's all about you isn't it
<@Pigglesworth> me me me
<@Physicus> "making me feeling unwelcome"
<@Pigglesworth> you aren't the center of the universe
<nute> I can't make it all about me.  I can't make people do anything.
<@Pigglesworth> yet you are trying
<encod3d> is react linux yet?
<@Pigglesworth> we are here to develop an OS not to make anyone feel good or bad
<@Physicus> react got nuted
<Reacter> Wonderful.
<@Pigglesworth> and you keep distracting us from that goal
<Reacter> I somehow remember him.
<nute> Really?
<@Physicus> nute, please leave
<@Pigglesworth> he doesn't have to leave
<@Pigglesworth> anyone can stay
<nute> So it is my fault that you get on here Pigglesworth and respond to me in a negative way?
<nute> I suppose it is my fault also that 0.3.12 isn't out yet.
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<@Pigglesworth> is that what I said?
<nute> Maybe, just maybe, it is my fault that the developers don't use the discussion forums more.
<@Physicus> That's what SHE said!
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<@Pigglesworth> the last thing is true
<@Pigglesworth> I really stopped reading forums because of you
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<nute> Or maybe, any stranger could come along and the developers would refrain from using the discussion forums.
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<@Pigglesworth> only really obnoxious users have that power
<@dreimer> if theres something useful for the devs, i link em tzo it
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<@dreimer> its my job to filter the crap off and I am doing my job as good as i can
<nute> Well, if one only needs to be obnoxious on the forums or the IRC to negatively impact ReactOS, what does that say about the motivation of the developers and the future of the project?
<encod3d> http://reactos.org/testman/
<encod3d> did anyone notice reactos is not reactiong as much as it did
<@dreimer> huh?
<encod3d> *reacting
<nute> Really dreimer, you are doing a good job?  But you aren't taking any action to bring peace and you certainly aren't helping here.
<@dreimer> ah, you mean the testman?
<@Pigglesworth> nute: you don't have to question our motivation thank you..
<@Physicus> encod3d: how much did it reacting?
<+Lone_Rifle> nute, no.
<@Pigglesworth> nute: the problem with you is that no matter what we do it's wrong
<nute> I don't have to, anyone who can spend time trying to make me feel unwelcome is less interested in ReactOS than they are in being jerks!
<encod3d> http://reactos.org/testman/compare.php?ids=3000,3195
<@Pigglesworth> so I decided it's better to leave you alone
<+Lone_Rifle> nute, no
<@dreimer> nute well, as I already said yesterday. I wont help you anymore. I was close to put you on my foe list, but my job here prohibits it
<@Pigglesworth> nute: anyone who keeps blaming us, spamming our forum, demanding things is a jerk
<@Physicus> gdi32:font
<+Lone_Rifle> nute, just...... no. don't even talk.
<nute> Why Lone_Rifle, what have you ever done on my behalf that has made things better?
<+Lone_Rifle> no. just no.
<nute> No what Lone Rifle?
<+Lone_Rifle> NO.
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<@Pigglesworth> nute: I don't have to make you feel unwelcome. in case you didn't notice you are already unwelcome
<nute> It takes talent to make a person feel unwelcome and maintain that atmosphere.
<@ZWabbit> why are you even in here if you find the environment unwelcoming?
<+Lone_Rifle> nute, no.
<@Physicus> ws2_32:sock
<@dreimer> nute everyone who talks so much shit in the forums that our newcomers believe him all of that is a threat and has to be removed.
<@Physicus> SOCK
<@ZWabbit> dreimer, Lone_Rifle, quiet for a moment please
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<@dreimer> ok
<@Pigglesworth> nute: you know when I feel I don't fit somewhere I just move along.. I don't try desperately to get there no matter what
<@ZWabbit> and everyone for that matter
<nute> I believe what is best for this project is new developers who are professional and who have more time to dedicate to development.
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<+Lone_Rifle> nute, okay.
<@Pigglesworth> are you a developer?
<+Lone_Rifle> that is your opinion
<+Lone_Rifle> if you assert it on others
<+Lone_Rifle> that is being obnoxious
<+Lone_Rifle> do you have any other questions?
<@dreimer> Lone_Rifle shh. ZWabbit wants it queit here for a sec
<nute> I have stated more than just an opinion.  Dreimer saying I am such a strong threat and failing to reach out in any way shows a total lack of professionalism.
<+Lone_Rifle> can't you see? it's obvious nute is not going to pay ZWabbit any attention
<+Lone_Rifle> nute, incorrect
<@ZWabbit> haven't actually had time to type out a response yet
<@dreimer> SHHHHH
<@dreimer> ALL
<+Lone_Rifle> ZWabbit, i can handle, if you want
<@ZWabbit> no, i can handle it, just keep getting interrupted by the constant flood of messages
<nute> Handle what?
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<jsngrimm> hi all
<encod3d> hiii
<@ZWabbit> nute: since joining, you've attempted to claim that your way is the only way, and every time someone points out a mistake or error on your part, you interpret that as a personal assault on your character, even when you were blatantly wrong
<jsngrimm> hey encod3d u get that error fixed?
<@ZWabbit> you do not accept criticism in any form, no matter how gentle
<encod3d> jsngrimn, which?
<encod3d> nute is the most successful troll ever.
<jsngrimm> the one the lasttime i was here
<@ZWabbit> we are under no obligation to treat you with any respect if you cannot admit your own errors, nor do we have the patience to babysit you
<nute> First off, what was I blatantly wrong about suggest that GCC should be favored over MSVC?  How can you be wrong about that?  Second off, I interpret poor language as a personal attack like most people would.
<encod3d> youre all morons
<jsngrimm> LOL
<+Lone_Rifle> nute, yes, you can be wrong about that
<encod3d> jsngrimm, yes we have lots of errors
<jsngrimm> :)
<@Pigglesworth> ============================= everyone below this line is being trolled
<+Lone_Rifle> and here i will explain
<jsngrimm> :)
<+Lone_Rifle> but will stop immediately if you try to reply
<+Lone_Rifle> and revert to saying "no" repeatedly#
<@ZWabbit> nute: the entire PSEH library exists due to the inadequacies of GCC when it comes to exception handling
<@ZWabbit> considering NT kernel drivers rely on SEH to communicate properly, GCC's lack of SEH makes it markedly inferior to MSVC for our purposes
<nute> That doesn't mean a closed source compiler that belongs to the very company you are trying to undermine should be used.
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<+Lone_Rifle> NO
<+Lone_Rifle> NOI
<+Lone_Rifle> NO
<+Lone_Rifle> that's it
<+Lone_Rifle> no explaniation
<+Lone_Rifle> wrong
<@ZWabbit> Lone_Rifle: calmly, please
<jsngrimm> encod3d u kno if reactos working on my ati chipset yet?
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<+Lone_Rifle> ZWabbit, some people refuse to appreciate patience
<encod3d> jsngrimm, http://www.reactos.org/wiki/Supported_Hardware/Video_cards
<jsngrimm> k
<nute> How can one become independent from Microsoft by running ReactOS if ReactOS is built on Microsoft tools anyways?
<jsngrimm> thx
<@ZWabbit> nute: we've been over this already, your arguments for not using MSVC simply because it's from MS doesn't move us in any way
<+Lone_Rifle> as has been very clearly demonstrated
<@ZWabbit> nute: you're presuming our intention is to break microsoft
<encod3d> jsngrimm, list is very short, testing yourself is best
<@ZWabbit> considering how many of us in here admire MS' products, that's a very poor misconception
<nute> Can Visual C be used under Linux?  Will ReactOS have to be compiled in ReactOS to avoid use of Windows?
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<@ZWabbit> why should avoiding windows be a priority?
<[1]Lone_Rifle> no undermining of corporations involved in this channel.
<nute> Because Microsoft is likely to say, you can't use our toolset.
<[1]Lone_Rifle> we're not industrial terrorists.
<[1]Lone_Rifle> wrong.
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<@ZWabbit> nute: i have yet to see any proof they could do so legally
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<@ZWabbit> i have also yet to see any proof they would care enough to do so
<@ZWabbit> to try to do so, that is
<+Lone_Rifle> we're merely small fry.
<nute> Microsoft is anti GPL, this is a GPL project, as far as Microsoft is concerned a GPL project to replace the commercial version of WIndows is an act of terrorism.
<CIA-6> ReactOS: akhaldi header-work * r46234 /include/ddk/ntddk.h: 
<CIA-6> ReactOS: [NTDDK]
<CIA-6> ReactOS: - Group related definitions
<CIA-6> ReactOS: - Add CmResourceTypeMaximum, SINGLE_GROUP_LEGACY_API, MAXIMUM_EXPANSION_SIZE, EXPAND_STACK_CALLOUT and several SYSTEM_*, TIMER_SET_*, XSTATE_*, SHARED_*, EX_*, PCCARD_*, PAUSE_PROCESSOR and Ke*
<+Lone_Rifle> wrong
<+Lone_Rifle> wrong
<+Lone_Rifle> wrong
<+Lone_Rifle> are you even listening?
<@dreimer> nute MS has GPLed Code!
<jsngrimm> reactos will probably never brake ms
<+Lone_Rifle> my god.
<@ZWabbit> we also have MS code in our repo
<jsngrimm> least not till ms breaks themselves and reactos takes over
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<+Lone_Rifle> ugh.
<+Lone_Rifle> don't distract him Z
<@ZWabbit> since MS itself has released stuff under open source licenses
<@ZWabbit> you assume he's paying enough attention to be distracted
<jsngrimm> yea it has
<encod3d> http://codingstyle.com/articles/using-ms-vcpp-with-gnu-wine.html
<nute> Next dreimer, you are going to say that MS is going to GPL Windows anyways.  Well, Microsoft won't.  And no, Microsoft does not have GPL code as that is an oxymoron.
<@ZWabbit> hehe
<@dreimer> nute it has
<jsngrimm> :)
<+Lone_Rifle> dreimer has not been talking for the past 10 minutes. are you even reading what we are saying?
<jsngrimm> lol
<@Physicus> nute is an oxy moron
<+Lone_Rifle> nute. What is the Microsoft Shared Source License?
<+Lone_Rifle> ANSWER ME
<@dreimer> nute the whole MSI generation SDK is GPLed
<@ZWabbit> dreimer: uh, no
<@ZWabbit> oh wait, are you referring to wix?
<nute> I'll believe that when I see it.
<@dreimer> yes
<@dreimer> nute gimme a sec :-D
<+Lone_Rifle> nute. What is the Microsoft Shared Source License?
<+Lone_Rifle> ANSWER ME
<@Pigglesworth> you won't believe it.. that's the point
<@Pigglesworth> lmao
<@ZWabbit> nute: the linux hyper-v drivers by MS are all GPL
<encod3d> *yawn*
<@Physicus> 3 minues
<encod3d> youre all boring
<@dreimer> nute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiX OK, CPL
<@Physicus> *minutes
<nute> They are for Linux, linux hyper-v, not windows.
<@dreimer> same
<encod3d> #reactos is boring
<BasisBit> nute: I code many small projects which I release under the MS-PL: http://tweetmypc.codeplex.com/license
<encod3d> *YAWN*
<@ZWabbit> nute: and who wrote them? microsoft?
<+Lone_Rifle> and nute, since you don't believe anything we say: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html
<+Lone_Rifle> there. GPL code by MS.
<BasisBit> nute: microsoft is not as "evil" as you think :D
<@ZWabbit> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2009/jul09/07-20linuxqa.mspx
<encod3d> i swear im not a bot
<@ZWabbit> there too
<@ZWabbit> encod3d: if you are, then we need more of you before we can get ACPI working
<@Physicus> 1 minute
<+Lone_Rifle> now can we please as a civilisation go back to his original assertion?
<nute> No, why was Microsoft forces ISVs to pay for MSDOS even if the customer didn't want it?
<jsngrimm> lol
<+Lone_Rifle> NOI
<+Lone_Rifle> YOU LISTEN, ALRIGHT?
<+Lone_Rifle> SEE? LINK
<@ZWabbit> everyone, hold on
<jsngrimm> LOL zwabbit
<+Lone_Rifle> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html
<@ZWabbit> nute: either retract your claim that MS never released GPL code
<encod3d> jsngrimm, sorry about the mess
<+Lone_Rifle> MICROSOFT. GPL. CAPICHE?
<@ZWabbit> or this conversation stops here
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<nute> If Microsoft is so kind to competitors, there is no need for a GPLed version of Windows.  Windows is not that expensive if Microsoft is so noble and competition friendly.
<jsngrimm> lol encod3d
<@ZWabbit> you have one more response to use
<@ZWabbit> that one either retracts your claim
<@ZWabbit> or i kick you
<+Lone_Rifle> ANY REACTIONS?
<encod3d> ban his country just in case
<jsngrimm> looks like the chat during a n00b fight in halo :)
<@ZWabbit> he's in the states
<BasisBit> nute: you seem to be just another linux or mac-lover troll - maybe researching using google or bing would help a lot more then just spamming here
<encod3d> ban his ISP
<@ZWabbit> that'd ban you too, encod3d
<nute> How are you going to kick anyone over the Internet?  Now that would be interesting.
<+Lone_Rifle> LISTEN
<+Lone_Rifle> LILSTEN
<+Lone_Rifle> LISTEN
<+Lone_Rifle> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10290686-16.html
<+Lone_Rifle> MICROSOFT. GPL. CAPICHE?
<@Pigglesworth> HAHAHAAH
<@dreimer> KICK
<@dreimer> NAO
<@dreimer> :-D
<jsngrimm> KICK
<@Pigglesworth> golden
<encod3d> metallica
<encod3d> puerto rico
<jsngrimm> :)
<BasisBit> or move to #offtopic !
<encod3d> 03/14/10
<niski> encod3d: where's that troll definition from yesterday?
<encod3d> urbandictionary.com
<jsngrimm> its not even worthy of #offtopic :)
<nute> Like I trust Bing, Microsoft's search engine.
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nute is ~nute@xerxes.robinson-west.com * Michael Robinson
nute on #reactos 
nute using anthony.freenode.net Irvine, CA, USA
nute End of /WHOIS list.
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* nute was kicked by ZWabbit (nute)
<jsngrimm> YESSSS! :D
<BasisBit> THANKS!!!
<@Physicus> thanks
* @dreimer applauds
<@dreimer> :-D
<@ash77|away> yay!!
<@ZWabbit> that should keep him from getting back in with that ID anyway
<jsngrimm> FINALLY :D
<encod3d> ban *.robinson-west
<@dreimer> ZWabbit see??? thats why i get pissed from time to time
<+Lone_Rifle> ZWabbit, to be honest
<@Pigglesworth> yes
<+Lone_Rifle> he's like DGMurdockIII
<@ZWabbit> except with better english grammar
<+Lone_Rifle> no.
<+Lone_Rifle> not even close.